Beginning of the Jamaican Webpage
Jamaican Email messages and addresses
NOTE FROM BETTY SHIRLEY (in 1999)
The Jamaican Shirley webpage was initiated in 1999. It is so interesting to see how info can come together and build or rebuild family trees. I have posted this info so this group may continue to grow. Jamaica info is very difficult to come by. I hope no one minds that I have posted the email exchanges below as I thought this might be of help, and... continue to bring the Jamaican Shirleys together.
Added NOTE from Betty Shirley on June 20th, 2002
I can't begin to tell you how pleased I am at the results for this group of Shirleys. So much has happened since I originally initiated this page of our website for the Jamaican Shirleys. Below you will see the early email exchanges as we tried to figure out the ancestry based on the traditional stories shared among the Shirleys of Jamaican descent. There were lots of confusion in the beginning. Some may still be confused but I am so delighted to tell you that because of this page, one of the descendants became so interested in learning about his ancestry that he has financed a great deal of research thru the Shirley Association, (that's us). On the Home page (click on the blue link above) you will read about a book that is being written and may be available on this website before the end of 2002 or early 2003. A family reunion will be planned in Jamaica to coincide with the release of the book. If you would like to be put on a list for updated info for the reunion and the book, please email me. bettyshirley@comcast.net (I have added an additional posting at the bottom of this page for this date, June 20th, 2002).
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The very first letter I received about the Shirley family of Jamaica was from a gentleman, (many years ago), inquiring about the Scharschmidt connection. Of course I could not help him at that time as I knew nothing about the Shirleys of Jamaica.
In 1999 I began receiving emails inquiring about the Shirleys of Jamaica and that is when I decided to open a page on the Shirley website for the Jamaican Shirleys. Below, I have posted a few of the early exchanges so you can see how this story begins. I have also posted some of my early replies. When you read the book that is coming, you will be able to appreciate the early struggles as we labored together to see if we could understand some of the traditional stories and how accurate they may have been back in 1999. I am pleased to say we have come a long, long way since then. We have the answers to the traditional stories and they are well documented. In the book you will find copies of the wills of the earliest Shirley ancestors who lived in Jamaica. You will not only know their names but you will know where they lived before they came to Jamaica and who their parents were, etc. There will be many surprises included. Be sure you get this book. You will be amazed at how much you are going to learn about your ROOTS from this book.
This begins the posting of the early emails that began arriving in 1999!
Part of a Letter of inquery...
I am interested in a Shirley from Sussex, that settled in Jamaica probably in the 17th century. His children married Jamaican children from Harry Brown, starting my Jamaican family heritage.
I am told that this Shirley is related to the first Govenor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and a privateer named "Mad Anthony" Shirley.===============================================================================
Betty Shirleys reply
I will begin with the Anthony Shirley's and etc... We will see what we can piece together.
#1. The Shirleys in England who more commonly use the Anthony name are indeed related to Gov. Shirley's ancestors and are from Preston, Sussex Co. England.
#2. Gov. Shirley's grandfather was William born about 1638. The family story is that he died in an earthquake in Jamaica. There are only 2 children listed for him in the genealogy of the family ... William, father of Gov Shirley, and Eliz. who married Robert Needham. Gov Shirley was born in 1694 and died in 1771. He had a brother John and it is said he died young. No other males on this line, except for Gov. Shirley's sons. John and William were killed in Pennsylvania area when they were young men and no children are recorded for them. One other son is the Thomas Shirley who was of Antiqua. He was Governor of some of the Islands after his father died.
Back to William who is said to have died in an earthquake... He had an uncle, and we have no info on him.... except he was suppose to have died in 1632. He would have been less than 30 years old at the time.
Going back further... Anthony Sherley of Preston died in 1624. He had a son Henry but it says that he married Mary Seaman. He died 1665 and she in 1666. Doesn't sound like he left to go to Jamaica. That is the only Anthony son Henry combination I see.
There is however, another Anthony who is the son of the above Anthony. He was born 1580 and died in 1622. No info on him.
The William who died in an earthquake sounds the most likely... However, we do not know IF there was an earthquake, etc... or if a William Sherley was killed. This is just a traditional story in that family.
The brother of the first Anthony of Preston was Sir Thomas Sherley the elder. He had a son Sir Anthony Sherley born about 1565 and he died in Spain. No children have been recorded for him. However, he is said to have sailed the coast of America, and he was called a privateer... doing this in the name of the Queen.... at least this is what he said. I remember he did go to the Caribbean Islands area... Do you have some articles or books written about "Mad Anthony"? or where did this info come from? So.. if this is the Anthony, he would be distantly related to Gov. Shirley. (Great great grandfathers 1st cousin).
Now... I think this Anthony sounds like the "Mad Anthony" except I don't know anything about children. Maybe he left one or two and they have multiplied over the years??? Strange this has never surfaced before... if he is the one. Now, I am really curious about him.
Now... let's go to Barbados... St. Michaels Parish, Mar 2, 1675, Anthony chr to Anthony Sherley. This suggests the Preston, Sussex England group. I do not know who he is, or how he fits into the Shirley picture.
I looked at the Earl Ferrer family, and do not see an Anthony's. I would assume the reason Sir Thomas Sherley the elder named a son Anthony was for his brother. The name does not appear in the Shirley pedigree before Anthony of Preston either.
This is all that I can tell you on the name of Anthony in England. May I suggest you look at our website? from the main web page... click on Genealogy of the Shirleys of England... there you can scroll down thru all of these people.
I thought I had another person with similar story. When I pulled that letter, it is a bit different. His story goes like this... Henry Shirley, the 7th Earl Ferrers and son of Sir Anthony Shirley (this is not correct), became involved with a German woman who was working as a governess, maid or housekeeper in the household. The Earl's wife was away from the family at the time, serving as lady-in-waiting to the Queen. Upon her return the wife had the Crown annul their marriage and Henry assumed the woman's name (Scharschmidt) and the three sons were each provided with an estate, Hyde Hall, Rose Hall and Windsor Hall.
Another version of this story holds that the German woman and Henry Shirley became romantically involved. Henry's family forbade their wedding, thought they married anyway and immigrated to Jamaica, assuming the Scharschmidt name.
The character of Henry Shirley is supported by a remark in the journal of Lady Nugent, wife of the Governor of Jamaica. "the Earl Ferrers was a man of profligate character and had many relationships among his female slaves".
There was no Henry who was a 7th Earl Ferrers. The 7th Earl Ferrers was a Robert and he was born 1756 died 1827, had two wives and I know nothing about his traveling abroad.
As to a Henry who had his marriage annulled... there was one, and I think it was the great grandfather of the 1st Earl Ferrer. I don't know anything about his going abroad either. He was b. 1588 and d. 1633.
It would help if I knew the period of time Nugent was Gov. of Jamaica! Can you find this out for me?
Where are you??? Jamaica or Canada? I understand some of the Jamaica Shirleys are living in Canada right now. I had a gal call me several years ago from Canada who was from Jamaica Shirleys. I also had a letter from a Shirley in Kingston, Jamaica a few years ago.
Let me hear from you again...
Betty Shirley================================================================================
ReplyAt last! I have found someone with some information. My name is Roger Whitfield, the oldest son of Edward and Patricia Whitfield. Her maiden name was Shirley, and she was born in Kingston, Jamaica in 1918 to Arnold and Harriet Shirley. Arnold's father was George Shirley and he was born abt. 1850. I was born and raised in the Chicago metropolitan area.
Governor Nugent, I am told by my maternal aunt, Maureen Shirley Coombs, was in that office from 1801 to 1805. Aunt Maureen is aware of Lady Nugent's statement but wasn't aware of that Shirley's first name. He supposedly settled in Spring Garden and either he or his sons had children from a Black Jamaican. That Jamaican was the daughter of Harry Brown.
Not wanting his Black offspring to be slaves he gave them the surname of Harry's sons (Harrison). Is this Henry Shirley really a Shirley? I' m confused about his lineage. Does this mean that I'm not related to the Shirley's of Preston? I'm very grateful for your information. If Henry is a contemporary of the Nugents, then I probably have only George's father to complete the family trace. I would like to keep corresponding.
Yours, very grateful
Roger.
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DOES ANYONE HAVE INFO ON THIS FAMILY? ARE YOU DESCENDED FROM THIS FAMILY? PLEASE LET US HEAR FROM YOU. Please email: Betty Shirley bettyshirley@comcast.net
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June 1999 email...exchange:
Betty , the following is a series of conversations between myself and another person that is also very involved with finding out about his ancestors through your web-pages. I hope that this info will be of help to you in your search for relations or kin to Henry Shirley of Jamaica. If so can you contact me or anyone from you group contact me at my e-mail address. CZGirl4evr@aol.com
Thank You ,
Jennifer ( Jenny) Franco
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Subj: Shirly family
Date: 5/31/99 8:19:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Rogpaulet
To: Panamarose
Have you found a connection to Henry Shirley? He died in 1848 and may have taken the Scharshmidt name.
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I used to go by Panamarose@aol.com but due to a divorce I will be asking you
to write me a CZGirl4evr@aol.com . Thank you Jenny FrancoThank you for the info on Henry Shirley. I am now 36 years old and for all these years I wanted to find out a little about my family tree. It seems to me that something troubling must have happened to my family when they migrated to Panama from Jamaica because every time I would ask about the family history they would change the subject. Its now that I have found out about Henry Shirley (thanks to you) that one of my aunts (84 years old) was surprised and told me a little about how he got the surname Shirley and then took his Fathers name Scharschmidt. I would like to hear more info if you have any. For I supposed that you are going to be the only way that I will be able any info out of my family. This way of communication has been so wonderful because through someone else in the group I was able to find out about the McTaggart side of my families past. The McTaggart side married a Mr. Scharschmidt. And one of Their Daughters (Pearl Ivy Scharschmidt) married a Mr. James Chambers who were my grandparent.
_______________________________________________________________________________________Subj: Re: Shirly family
Date: 6/6/99 9:45:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: CZgirl4evr
To: Rogpaulet
CC: CZgirl4evr
In a message dated 6/4/99 3:17:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Rogpaulet writes:
Subj: Re: Shirly family
Date: 6/4/99 3:17:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Rogpaulet
To: CZgirl4evr
I'm a little confused about your statement. Did your aunt say that Henry Shirley was not a Shirley at all but a Scharsmidt? I got my information about that possibility from Betty Shirley of the Shirley Association. Our correspondence can be seen on the Shirley Association webpage under the Jamaica link. I am continuing to get information on Henry whose name was mentioned in a negative way by the wife of the British Governor of Jamaica around 1804. I should know something by Wednesday. I would love to speak to your aunt or at least hear from you. Another source is Sally Jones who did some research on Henry and one of his sons Leicester Colville Shirley. Sally can be found as a researcher just as I found you, when I searched the web for Jamaican information.
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Dear Rogpaulet,
Thank you for all the info you have provided me with . I was glad to hear that yours and my info matched. I told the family about what I had found out and they (well they had no choice but to tell me) told me that Henry had a son named Alexander Scharschmidt and that he was my Great Grandfather, my Grandmothers (Pearl Ivy Scharschmidt) Father. After my
Grandmother grow up she married James Chambers and moved to Panama an they had 11 children 38 grandchildren and 42 great-grandchildren ( this was a count taken in 1983 just before Pearl death (at age 80 something). Are you also related to Henry? I will keep in touch with you if I find anything else out .
Talk to you soon, Jenny=========================================================================
Email of May 31, 1999 to Betty Shirley:
Dear Betty,
I found your e mail address while I was visiting my uncle in Ft. Myers. My name is Edwina Shirley-Nalchawee and my father Edwin Shirley was born in Jamaica in 1882. I would like information on the Shirley's in the Jamaica area, and of course in the U.S.
I had information on the Shirley's dating back as far as 1839. However, the information I no longer have. My father gave me a lot of the information, and unfortunately the information is lost. He has since passed away.
My father was 70 years old when I was born. My daughter is 10 years old and is interested in learning about her grandfather.Any information would be helpful. It would also be nice to communicate with you from time to time.
email, tom-ootg@worldnet.att.net
Thank you for any information you can give me.
Edwina Shirley-Nalchawee
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I am researching my husbands lineage and have fallen in a rut. His grandmother Cecily Shirley b:Sept. 9, 1910 was born in Panama. Her grandfather (son of an English Lord "Lester") married the upstairs maid which caused a great distress to the family and they were sent to the plantation in Panama. Is there any documentation that would help confirm that? ========================================================================Posted on our web board Oct 28th, 1999 jerryman@gateway.net
My Grandfather Walter was in Kingston until the early 1900's and then left for the canal zone. His wife was a Philpott. I was told that he lived on the plantation and was cast out of the family for failing to become a doctor. That was the reason for going to the canal as an engineer. My dad was born in Curundu in 1906 and emmigrated to the states and stayed because he was a citizen. My aunts Wheada, Sicily and Beryl were born in Kingston. I can't get much info as my parents went on different paths while I was a child. Would you have any information as I cannot find any.
Thank you G. B. Shirley Lcdr, USN, ret________________________________________________________________________________
Oct 30th, 1999
Thank you for your response Ms Betty. I have heard from Jenny and Rudy! We may be on to something. I do remember the talk about Kingston and the so called "Shirley Plantation". My Grandfather left there to work the canal. My dad was born there and it was in 1906. I have been told that the records were verbal.... and there is a slim chance of any verification. I have heard more about Kingston such as a great uncle that was in the military in India and was quite the card. All of my relatives have passed on and I take the blame for not getting into this earlier.
I will be sailing for the canal next week on the Vision of the seas. I want to get a feel for the genealogical enivironment. I know that I won't get any closer; however I can always get the feel. Once again Thanks so much for your site and what you are doing!
Regards
Jerry Shirley
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Oct 31, 1999
Cecily Shirley (listed on your message board) is my aunt. I would visit her in Oak Park, Illinois when I was at the naval training center. I always thought that she was born in Jamaica but it looks like it was Panama. I emailed Cheri Walsh about this discovery.Jerry
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Dear Cheri,
I must apologize for my memory. Aunt Cecily did live in Highland Park not Oak Park as I said. I Most certainly remember her husband. I would spend my weekends with the family. She had two sons who were young at the time. One had a problem with his arm? I am going back some 40 years.
Her niece Audrey Homily lived with her as her sister Beryl died of cancer of an early age.
An older sister Izthma died in a fire around 1946. This was in New York
Another sister Wheata lived in Long Island City then moved to Shirley, Long Island and died of a lung disease.
My father Gerald was the first to come to the US by sailing as a seaman on a Banana boat ...and then jumped ship .. He could stay in the US because of his citizenship.
I met my Grandfather in Highland Park once He was with Grandma.. I do not talk much about my father as he divorced my mom early and was another terror. He died of lung cancer at the age of 49.
My daughter Anne is helping me out as she is in the DC area. I may have to go to another page here. I am new at this so please excuse..Try www.pancanal.com and www.czbrats.com my daughter is at www.nielfam.com . Who is your husband's father. Someone wrote me a letter a while ago about the death of aunt "sis". You may be able to get a copy of a birth certificate sine the date is after 1906. My daughter has all of yhat info. please buzz her..
Good luck
Gerald.
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Oct 31st, 1999
The son with the bad arm that you refer to, is Uncle Danny. He got Polio as a child. Rob's father is Danny's twin brother, David.
I am sending these emails on to Dave and his wife Carol. So please don't be surprised if you hear from them. You may already have been in contact with them but this is the first time I have gotten to talk to someone other than them about the family history.
Its so good to finally make a connection! I know that Dave's sister, Bev, has done some of the history but I got onto the computer and haven't snail mailed her just yet. Have a great sail on the Canal!
Cheri
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Dear Betty,
Good news! My daughter Anne Shirley Niel is going to meet her Cousin Rob Walsh tomorrow at Fort Belvoir,Va. The two kids are excited and so am I. They are both military dependents.
I am leaving early tomorrow for the cruise. I feel real good and once again THANK YOU so much. My membership will follow.
Gerald B. Shirley LCDR,usn ret MED....
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email sent Nov 11, 1999 from Cheri
Ms. Betty,
I am so grateful for your curiosity. Without it, this site would never have started and my family would never have found the Shirley side of our family. As it turns out, my husbands 2nd cousin lives 30 minutes from us and we never knew it. Gerald Shirley contacted me after finding my plea for help on this site and we have since been given the oppurtunity to meet with his daughter. We are amazed at the family resemeblences and ever grateful to you and the Shirley Association for bring us together.
Thank You so much to all of you who have given your time and genealogies to this site. You never know, your family may be closer than you think.
Sincerely, Cheri Walsh
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EMAIL RECEIVED SEPT 2ND, 1999 FROM : Anne.Fo@emich.edu
First let me introduce myself. My name is Anne Fo and I was excited and over joyed to hear about your website. My sister's husband happened upon it, told my sister who told my cousin who of course told me. You see I have been trying to find information, any at all, about my ancestors. Unfortunately each time I ask I usually get as far as my grandparents. My Grandmother was Cora Shirley. She was born in Portland Jamaica in an area known as Shirley Castle. I believe her father was Isaac Shirley and his father was Samuel Shirley.
My cousin, Shirley-Ann Williams of Georgia,
Thank you so much for this website.
Sincerely
Anne Fo=============================================================================
Posted by Barrington Anthony Shirley, Jamaica W.I. on March 26, 2000 at 16:52:27:
It was last December I was told that the Shirleys are from England and that there is a website for the Shirleys, this sparked my interest and now I want to all about my family all over the world.
Will any Shirley out there contact me so my journey into my heritage can get going.================================================================================
I found this posted on another website and placed it here for anyone interested!
Posted by on December 06, 2000 by Yvonne Shirley (Pets) blaq808@stn.net
looking for anyone from either of these districts or who goes to shirley castle school 50s-60s
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Posted by Trisha Shirely on May 25, 2001 (no email address given)
In Reply to: Yvonne Shirley (Pets) on December 06, 2000
I am Mr. Kenneth Shirley's daughter of Shirley Castle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Yee [mailto:yeefam@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:24 PM
To: bettyshirley@attbi.com
Subject: Re: I'm A Shirley Decendant Too!!!!!!Hi Betty, I just got off the phone being newly introduced to a cousin of mine and in her excitement she exclaimed: "You gotta see the shirley website!!!" So here I am emailing you. Let me give you a quick synopsis of my family line:
My Great-great-Grandfather's name was Nathan Carby. He met and married Jane Thaxter. That union produced 12 children. One of whom was my Great-Grandfather Alexander Carby he met and married Martha Shirley of Portland. Thus the "Shirley" connection. Now, they in turn had eight children, one of whom was Muriel Carby. She met and married Harvey King who is also a "Shirley descendant" so distant cousins got married here (WOW!!!). Anyway, I'd love to find out what I need to do to get our line added to the HUGE TREE!!!!. email me at the email address above. Don't let the name "Yee" in my email address fool you (smile) really, truly I am a "Shirley".....I am married with that surname....
Anyway I'm anxiously awaiting your response....til then keep the Shirley link alive!!!!
Another cousin yet to meet,
Love Sydoni Baker (Carby, Shirley, Yee)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Betty Shirley
To: Gary Yee
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:02 AM
Subject: RE: I'm A Shirley Decendant Too!!!!!!
How nice to hear from you!!! I would love to be able to help you fit into the big tree if I can. You mention Portland but am not sure what Portland you mean. Oregon? Maine? If I wasn't so lazy maybe I would go to the phone book and look up your area code. That MIGHT give me a clue? There could also be other Portlands... so, I need to know which one. I would assume Shirley's lived there and if I have some idea of the Aprox year this marriage took place, this will help also.I am looking for a time frame.
I will look forward to hearing from you again...
Betty Shirley
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Hi Betty, please forgive me! I was so excited to write to you I neglected to say Portland Jamaica West Indies. My Great-Great Grandmother was Martha Shirley from Portland Jamaica and she married Alexander Carby. So I'd love for you to help me piece this all together
Looking forward
Sydoni
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FROM BETTY SHIRLEY POSTED JUNE 20TH, 2002
IN 2000 I WAS TOLD THAT A JAMAICAN SHIRLEY ASSOCIATION WAS BEING FORMED. I ONLY RECENTLY LEARNED THAT IT DID NOT REALLY GET OFF THE GROUND FLOOR. SO... MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT CONTINUING WITH THIS JAMAICAN SITE AS I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE DOING YOUR OWN THING. NOW THAT I AM AWARE THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING, I SHOULD REJUVENATE THESE PAGES. I HAVE BEGUN DOING THAT BY ADDING POSTS HERE AND ELSE WHERE ON THE JAMAICAN PAGES FOR JUNE 20TH, 2002 AND, CLEANING UP SOME OF THE DATA ON THE JAMAICAN MAIN PAGE. (link at top of page in blue, click on it)
I AM ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE IN RECEIVING DATA SUCH AS PHOTO'S OF YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FAMILY INFO AND YOUR TRADITIONAL STORIES. WE WILL NOT BE USING FAMILY OR RESEARCH DATA THAT IS INTENDED FOR THE BOOK ON THESE PAGES. THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS RECEIVING INFO FOR THIS PAGE THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE BOOK. THAT KIND OF MATERIAL WOULD BE LIKE SOME VERY OLD PHOTOS INVOLVING SHIRLEY CASTLE, HYDE HALL, EARLY PHOTO'S OF SHIRLEYS IN JAMAICA, ETC. WE WOULD ASK YOUR PERMISSION FIRST.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE LIVING IN JAMAICA AS WELL AS THOSE WHO LIVE ELSEWHERE BUT ARE DESCENDED FROM THE SHIRLEYS OF JAMAICA. PLEASE EMAIL ME AT: bettyshirley@comcast.net
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Posted June 23, 2002
We seem to be intertwined with the Shirley family, I went online and came across your website but couldn't get any info on the 'Carby family' beginnings, I know I am a descendant from Nathan Carby and Jane Thaxter, but Nathan had two brothers, one went to Linstead area in Jamaica. one somewhere in St. Catherine and Nathan from Portland. Do you have anything on the Thaxter side? Your help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to put together the 'family' puzzle. I only have an Aunt Buelah Carby Shirley and a cousin Lola Carby Hohn to get info from although there is a great aunt Una one of Nathan & Jane's children still living in Jamaica with one of her daughters Lodie Hinds. I just cant seem to be able to connect with her, although she is a very valuable treasure to us the offsprings who know basically nothing of our relatives. Looking forward to hearing from you, I am Charmaine Carby.
I ASKED FOR HER PERMISSION TO POST THIS QUERY...this is her reply.
Yes, you may post my email address on your website as I am interested in putting all the puzzles together, and to do need some help. My Dad's sister Buelah Carby is married to Rev Herbert Shirley and I believe his family was from Fairy Hill or Shirley Castle, anyway they are now living here in Florida. That is the only Shirley connection I have, I am more interested in the Carby - Thaxter families, so any help would be appreciated. I know that Nathan and Jane had at least 10 or 12 children, the names I have but its their children and grandchildren I am interested in. Let me see I would be in the fourth generation set I believe. I will keep in touch and will also contact Jeff as you suggested.
Thanks and have a good one,
Charmaine hrdfos@bellsouth.net
I EMAILED ROGER WHITFIELD .... this is his reply.
The "Rev. Shirley" is Herbert Shirley affectionately known as Obie. His father, Charles Samuel Shirley Jr. provided the bible that I used for my initial family genealogical framework. I'll look for the Carbys although Jeff would be a better source.
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NOTE: AUGUST 2006
I have moved a few things from the old website and added to our new pages. I had thought of deleting this page, but... it does show how the Jamaican Shirley webpage started. After corresponding with those above, I decided we had enough interested people to create a webpage for the Jamaican Shirleys. This page shows the history of it's beginning. Since the email addresses are a few years old, some may not be current.
The book was finally printed in May 2006 and can be ordered from this website.